Haydock Lodge

[Steven]

Sometime ago, David one of the forum members mentioned that he might be able to get hold of a few photos of Haydock Lodge

This was a bit of an understatement, because yesterday he gave to me a cdrom full of images that he has scanned, showing the Lodge and a large part of its grounds, none of which I have seen anywhere before, I will be adding a number of the photos into the forum, into this thread, but the rest I will add later into the Photo Gallery, what I first wanted to do, was too show you the lodge and its location in relation to the Post House hotel thats currently built on the same site.

This is the building that was Haydock Lodge.



and this is where it was, marked over the top of a recent aerial photo from Googles Maps pages



The Lodge was located, on the site now occupied by the Post House Hotel just off the Motorway Junction at Haydock.

The Hotel and the Haydock Park Gardens housing estate are built upon what used to be the area covered by the Lodge's Gardens and Out buildings

I have tried to mark out the buildings and walls from the gardens in this overlay in blue, leaving the trees and shrubs as white, and footpaths and driveways as dotted white lines.



I hoped this might show the size of the place better..

Will add some more into the next post

Steven Dowd

[Steven]

I have tried to dig out some of the known History for the haydock Lodge from different books, this is what I have so far..

which I have taken from an unpublished book by C Cole, from 1914/16, Mr C Cole was the local council surveyor, and later a councilor, and historian

HAYDOCK LODGE.

As a residence of members of the Legh family at various times, this old house has many historical associationa with Newton; although it is situate in the adjoining parish of Haydock (see "The Leghs," page 101).

In his Lancashire Itinerary (1695) Dr. Kuerden, in describing the post-road from Warrington to Wigan, and after referring to Newton, writes: "Then passing on a Sandy lane you leave Haydoc Park, and close by the road Haydoc Lodge, belonging to Mr. Legh." Since that time many of the buildings there have been re-erected, and the one mentioned by Dr. Kuerden in 1695 is very probably the east wing of the main house rebuilt by Dr. Beaman in 1884, for it is recalled that there was at one time a stone over the door bearing a date early in the 17th century; and another part of the building to the vest of the main house, which part has recently been restored, was probably of the Jacobean period.

The present Lodge, it is supposed, was built towards the latter part of the 18th Century, probably in the time of Mr. Peter Legh, who was residing there prior to 1790. (In 1787 it is recorded that it was his seat). The clock on the belfry, which was probably part of the old coach-house and stables, bears the date 1795 and also the name of Colonel Thos. Peter Legh, and was made by a William Leigh, a clock-maker, of Newton. When Haydock Lodge ceased to be a residence for members of the Legh family, about the year 1808, the clock was presented to Newton Church, where it remained until that Church was lately restored, when it was returned to the Lodge, and where, in its old home, it chimed the first hour of the present century.

We have referred elsewhere to the Volunteer Colours (now in Newton Church) which were deposited at the Lodge in 1804, and to the residence of Colonel Claughton at the Lodge, where the late Bishop of St. Albans, Thomas Legh Claughton, was born, in 1808. The Claughton family pew was in the Ashton Church, the oak panelling of the pew being now in the entrance hail at Haydock Lodge.

In later years the Lodge became a Cavalry Barracks, but at what date is not exactly known, though it is on record that the Government rented it as a Barracks for Troops for a period. It was, however, so used in 1836, for in the Ashton Churchyard is a tomb showing that an Edmund Naghton, Esq., of the 88th Regiment of Connaught Rangers, aged 21 years, was killed by a fall from his horse at Haydock Lodge in 1836. It is also understood (so says Dr. C. T. Street, the present occupier of the Lodge, to whom we are indebted for much of thi3 information) that the Lancashire Fencibles, during the Chartist Riots, were stationed there, and there is a probability that the Artillery were quartered there also, as well as the Scots Greys. We may here mention that Mr. Robert Stone (of Newton Park) has two brass helmets which belonged to the cavalry.

After the troops vacated the premises, the Lodge does not appear to have been regularly tenanted by any resident family, but the wings, offices, and outbuildings were probably occupied by the persons to whom the park and farm were let.

The Lodge was first used as a Lunatic Asylum in 1844, was burnt down in 1872, and rebuilt immediately afterwards. When Dr. C. T. Street became the occupier he found in the cellars a very handsome broken chimney-piece of two female figures which, it is said, before the fire, stood in the entrance hail, and were of CharlesII. period. These have since been restored, but not in their original position.

We have referred in another place to the entrance gates and lodge, now standing in High Street, which formerly stood at the entrance to Haydock Lodge, though we did not mention the fact that they were originally erected by the same Colonel Thos. Peter Legh who placed the clock in the belfry, and who gave orders that he should be the first person to pass through the gates after their completion. His orders were obeyed, but unhappily, through the strange irony of fate, he was borne through dead, having come to a sudden end at Piershill Barracks, Scotland, on the 7th August, 1797.

It was at Haydock Lodge, in the time of Mr. Peter Legh, that the house was mobbed by Wigan people because Mr. Legh had turned out a fox in a plaid jacket to hunt, and s'o offended the Jacobite Party.

The entrance to Haydock Lodge was, as now, in Ashton Road, but nearer to Newton. There was also an entrance from Golborne by what was called the serpentine drive.

There is a great resource for the history of the Haydock Lodge as an assylum here "http://studymore.org.uk/mott.htm#Haydock%20Lodge" this website has been authored by 'Andrew Roberts' who has recently rejoined this forum, and who has kindly allowed me to re-use some of his own research concerning the Haydock Lodge into the website.

A few months ago, Sheila, one of the forum members photographed an old stone clock face outside the Post House Hotel in the car park


She

I believe this clock can be seen in position in this photo from an older part of the lodge


Andrew Roberts

This inside of the lodge is shown below


David Billiard Room




David Hall - Library



David Music Room

More to Follow...



Steven Dowd

[Steven]

Heres another View of the inside of the main Hall


David Hall - Library

I noticed while editing this image, that there is a crest and sheild above the window on the left



This is the same shield, crest and Rams Head which can seen today on the front of the Newton Arch



This arch used to be the main entrance gateway to Haydock Lodge


David Dining Room

This Dining room, also seems to have a raised stage at the far end, with an Organ on the left side of it.


David Gallery


David Gallery



More to follow...



Steven Dowd

[Steven]

Heres a few photos from around the grounds of haydock Lodge, including some of the dams which have long since burst and run dry.



David - Haydock Lodge


David - Haydock Lodge Drive


David - Haydock Lodge - New Years Day Hunt


David - Haydock Lodge - Pond at the top of the Race Corse


David - Haydock Lodge - White Door Dam


David - Haydock Lodge - Hunt


David - Haydock Lodge - The Broad walk


More to Follow..


Steven Dowd

[David]

It's all looking great Steven, I forgotten about the crest on the archway nicely spotted.

[Podstar66]

Here is picture from an older post named 'Book Find'

http://newton-le-willows.org/history/vi ... php?t=1057



The shield (with the arm and banner) is the same shape, and I guess the shield with the cross would be the same colours as on this book cover, ie white on red.

Pod

[She]

Stunning! I am lost for words. History captured. Thank you so much for sharing....

[Steven]

Here I have a set of photos which have been scanned from an advertising pamphlet/booklet for Haydock Lodge, these images were sent to me by Andrew Roberts who I mentioned in an earlier post, Andrew has a website here http://studymore.org.uk/mott.htm#Haydock%20Lodge this is the best resource on the www for the history of the lodge and its use as a hospital and assylum



























Thankyou to Andrew for sharing these photos with us

Steven Dowd

[She]

The man and woman in some of these photos (maybe not uploaded as yet) are Charles Tidbury Street b1858 - the resident physicianand manager of the asylum. He is mentioned in the history of the lodge.

The wonderful Victorian lady is his wife Mabel Rebecca Street b circa 1868.

Info from the 1901 census.

[Steven]

Hi She

Yes your right,

you know of course that there was a Mott involved with the history of the Lodge, is mott anything todo with morts, a relation?

Here are a few photos from david, which show the Dr Charles Tidbury Street and his wife Mabel Street at the Haydock Lodge.



David - Haydock Lodge - Mabel Street


David - Haydock Lodge - Charles Tidbury Street , Kitchen garden


David - Haydock Lodge - mable Street


David - Haydock Lodge - The Lawn 1901


David - Haydock Lodge - Charles Tidbury Street & Belle


Steven Dowd

[Steven]

Isn't it odd how things happen,

Three weeks ago, I didn't have any photos of Haydock Lodge at all, apart from one that Russel here at the forum scanned for me from a postcard he bought, and a tiny image of the lodge which formed part of an old multi view postcard which I bought some years ago.

Then in the last few weeks, David one of the forum members emailed to say he had managed to scan the photos from books that his family owned, and then Andrew Roberts contacted me to say he had photos of the lodge from an advertising brochure.

And today, I have managed to buy a set of original glass negatives, showing some o fthe same views as in Davids Photos, and also a few of the original etched copper plates which probably printed the brochures





I will scan the negatives and post the images later

Wonder what will turn up next.

Steven Dowd

[Steven]

I have managed to get the glass negatives that i bought scanned and some of the images are great.


This one shows the Billiard Room.

A few months ago, in another thread, Sheila mentioned some details for heraldic coats of arms, the sheild and coat of arms 'Hand and Banner' from the Archway in Newton High Street is found on the walls of haydock Lodge, but I noticed that in the windows of the Billiard Room above, there are some other figures, nowadays people choose leaded window designs, just because they like them, but I wonder if these were originally chosen to show connection to different families, by using parts from their coats of arms in the windows

These are the small windows from the above Billard Room photo








Steven Dowd

[mary smith]

I have wonderful memories of Haydock Lodge as i spent my childhood growing up there with my siblings and parents in the 60`s. My dad worked there so we lived in a bungalow in the grounds. Can relate to the photos shown.

[bob]

Just looking at the window above, what are the figures in them and what do they represent, anyone got an offering!
bob

[ALLANSMITH]

I am originally from Haydock, and I have recently completed a novel which is based on the scandal at Haydock Lodge in 1845,which led to national changes in the treatment of mentally handicapped patients and provision for paupers in England and Wales. The resources on this site, particularly the photographs, have been a huge help to me in visualising Haydock Lodge and what went on there. The novel is due out in early summer, but I am currently engaged on designing the cover. I would like to use one or two of the photographs which have appeared on the site, but am having difficulty contacting the people who own them to seek permission. Steven has been very helpful, but I still need to contact David, whose brilliant photograph of Haydock Lodge in Winter appeared on the site in April. You can either contact me through the site or via Steven, who has my e-mail details. Thanks.